Posted by: Editor | February 10, 2009

Hazaras in London Protest Shaheed Yousufi’s Assassination — Images and report

Protesters holding placards in front of Pak Embassy, London.

Protesters holding placards in front of Pakistan Embassy, London.

February 08 — Hazara International Forum Great Britain (HIF-GB) held a protest demonstration in front of Pakistan High Commission in London against the consecutive target killing of Hazaras in Quetta Pakistan.

The protersters were holding banners and placards against target killing of Hazaras in Quetta Pakistan. After  three hours of chanting slogans in front of Pakistani High Commission in London, the protesters handed over a charter of demands to the 1st Secretary Pakistan High Commission. They demanded that the Government of Pakistan take serious notice of the continuous target killing of Hazaras in Quetta.

According to a statement by HIF-GB Secretary General Barrister Iftikhar Raza Khan, the First Secretary to the High Commissioner in London agreed to discuss the demands with the higher authorities in Pakistan.

He also added that the level of participation in the protest in Britain by Hazaras has been unprecedented.

Hazara communities across Europe are coordinating for protests in more cities. The community in Holland are organizing a protest next Sunday.

Barrister Iftikhar Raza Khan added that a letter conveying Hazara grievances will be issued to the European Commission or the United Nations, to be decided by consensus.

Special thanks to Hazara International Forum (HIF-GB) and Jajim Grafix, UK, for contributing photos to this report.


Responses

  1. To all complainig Hazara posters: This is not the time to talk about past. I ask you guys: Did any one of you who met such Hazaras or group of Hazaras who you felt were tayfa Parast, Selfish, QUESTIONED them for wrong doing??????????????
    Things can be solved if you talk about it with great sense. Unity against wrong is always must. We need humble, reasonable and kind UNITY.
    Mukhtar, next time it is your duty to correct such individuals and groups. Tayfa Parasti is childish. The outside world see us ONE HAZARA. They don’t say he/she is A or Q Hazara. Or he/she is Dai Zangi ,Besudi, Jaghori or Maska or Kalandar or what so ever! This is just our internal problem and can only be solved inside our hearts. We the people with knowledge MUST correct the wrong thinking Hazaras.
    We need to be United and helping people. We should earn the ownership of our IDENTITY. Solve the problem inside the house without letting your enemies even friends know your weaknesses. I felt childish writing the line above but I thought the need.

  2. Dear Bamiyan, this is our bad luck that every time we go back and restart from the beginning. Like Abbas. He wokeup and wrote his comment. He believes more on what a Pashtun said about Hazaras origin but he doesn’t trust the findings of Hazara Genes, which are of Mongols! Pashtuns are lost people. I have read their comments on many sites. They some times attach themselves to Turks of Turkey and say they (Turkey People) have similar facial features like Pashtuns. Can you imagine their way of linking themselves to some race. Turks of Turkey have mixed with Greek women and have changed a lot. But, still they are Turks. Real Turk and Mongol can not be distinguish. I don’t say I feel superior being a Mongol. I just say how Mongols united and ruled a world even Mongols were with smaller population compared to the whole world. And why they conquered them? Because their enemies were corrupt and they had no unity. Mongol people used to live in Central Afghanistan long before Chengiz Khan invasion. I will ask Mr. Abbas to read about history of Afghanistan and Mongols. Read all the posts.
    Today we need unity. No tayfa parasti, no jealousy. All thses things look so funny. The Hazaras you mentioned Mr. Mukhtar must know that in time of peace all such things are enjoyable but in times of war which they are out of it now, unity is must.
    We can be Chengezi but it doesn’t mean we should be bullies. Chengiz Khan was a great man. He was honorable. Every honorable must honor him. No matter if we are Mongol or not.
    I wish unity among us in most humble ways. A humble unity earns respect.
    Best Regards.

  3. MA MEYAKHAHEEM KEY HAZARA BOODAN DEEGAR JURM NABASHAD

    USTAD SHEED ABDUL ALI MAZARI

  4. AFTER MY COMMENTS IF ANY ONE WROTE ANY WORD AGAINST ANY HAZARA WOO

    HARAMI AASTA
    QASAM MOOKHROOM AGENT WAHABI ASTA

    YA AAZ POOSHT HAZARA NEEA ASTA

  5. HER KASS MABIN QAUM NIFAQ ANDAZ MOONA WO DOOSHMAN QAUM ASTA

    KHUDA LAANAT KANA BALAY DOOSHMAN QAUM

  6. SALAM TAMAM BIRAR AZ HER JAEE BASHEE

    ABBAS ALI
    BAMYAN
    RAHIMI
    KHAN ALI
    HAZARA MK
    RASHIDA BANOO

    KHUDA RA AZ AQAL KAAR BEEGREEN INSAAN AASTAIN YEE WAQAT BARAEE TAFREEQA BAAZI NEESTA

  7. my brothers,

    Its very sad to know that the hazaras who in vienna, austria, who got majority here and live more then one thousands have always lack of unity, most of them came from afghanistan and now they are not able to organizie the anniversary of Baba mazari. few of them gave pomphlates in the aryana TV about Babas death anniversary and asked my guests to come to vienna from different parts of europe, but they did not inform the others. some of them say that it should be arranged by the Jaghorigo, others say turkanigo, daizingigo, pashaigo, mazarigo, hahahha

    now there is a big clash and they are not able to decide which one of us should arrange this anniversary.

    when they were asked about the fatiha for yusufi, they hesited to say that he was just a common person and he had a travel agency and getting much money from us, so why should we arrange such protests or fatiha.

    I really dont know from which nation belong, where there is much taifa parasty and now i really praise Baba mazari how he could gather these jahil and illiterate people into one party and lead them, I really dont know, how he did it.

    just sit in their meetings, you will see much hatred, full of zad parasty, just trying to use eachother, but there is no sense of feeling for Baba, just dispersing it to different sections, where the hazaras of bamian attack on the jaghurigo, daizingis attack on jaghurigo, diakondi attack on jaghurigo, garbaghi attack on jaghurigo, i dont know why all of them hate the jaghurigo, very funny, such a wild and animal type of meetings were being made every year when they arrange the mazaris death anniversary.

    shame of you people, shame, we quetta people have mairabadi or saidabadi, but we still have unity and still have trust on eachother, but when it come to hazaras of afghanistan, then there is always munafiqat, dorough goi and taifa parasty.

    God bless you, so that you people leave your taifa parasty, even you live in europe.

    M. Hussain

  8. In the name of bamiyan …..
    The site Abbas mentioned there a pashtun Jalaabadi alongwith praising Hazaras actually wanted to say this ….
    چون در همان قرن هفتم میلادی هیون تسنگ بسا از قبایل و بلاد افغانستان را به همین نام کنونی شان منتهی به لهجه چینایی ذکر می کند و در جوار کلمه غرنه و هزاره کلمات چون اپوگین( افغان) را نیز می آورد

    and this
    صالت و ریشه کلمه را از بین ببرند،مثلآ در بین افغانان نام معروفی است (تورباس )یعنی شمشیرزن و شمشیرباز که این نام بعدها به طره باز و گاهی بطور عباس تبدیل شده که اصل اصالت کلمه تورباس از اذهان ذایل شده است.

    My friends now know who is who and what is what ….
    if i go in detail again some persons fake and dummy EGO will be hurt …
    this person is not Abbas …
    Ba amman e bamiyan …..

  9. About History and gense ….
    who are Hazaras now almost all of us has concluded to turk ……
    who are turks ????
    they relate to Chinese, Mongols (locals of America known as Red Indians and turks ), dravidians (Hindus) ,Sametic (Sami ,Irani Arabi type ) Black , white , Abourshonise (Local Australians and arround Australia )
    Why to shy that much from Changez khan …. No one can throw Hazaras now if they willingly adopt everything that relates them in their own spheres and limitations … Changez is gone ….
    there are some tribes we have in common with mongols even today and some of the behaviors ..
    like we do not surrender to anything regardless of power or force …. Mongols are brave and talented but still when they are forced to do they do …In Hazaragi when say ….
    Nageer ……
    Khoori ……
    i do not encourage nor discourage never shy or make some one shy of Changez …. He was a great general ,leader and engineer of warfare ….

  10. There is a saying,

    KHUDA TU RA BAD QAUM KANA MAGAR BAY QAWN NA.

    I personally don’t have the ability to dislike my nation what ever happen. I don’t why, may be God gave me this disability.

  11. In the name of Bamiyan ……
    TO ABBAS::::::
    Abbas jan u are talking of one side ….and u didn’t have read this page properly so u r missing alot that was written here … we have talked and u want us to repeat that all ….read above posts and than read this one …….
    1….You have mentioned TANZEEM the most ..about whom i have reservations to ..but simply if u could tell why and gave fitwa that TANZEEMIS are kafir …. why was Yousafi and Raza wakil arrested and totured and why Khalili came to the protest held in Kabul ….these all questions has a relation ………….

    2….How much of quetta’s Hazara population has come in last 30-40years and how many was in quetta before that ……
    lets assume Quetta Hazaras did all the blunders killed Abdul Ali Mazari , Facilated Taliban (Holy Pashtuns) , tortured Hazaras in Thallay siya Thallay Safid , showed the ammunition hazara people had in Hazarajat ,buy and sell Hazaras both side borders .. Humiliate Hazara by calling ishpishok as well Aaoghani khar ,
    But
    what about the genration whose fathers came last 30 years and they were raised in quetta now speak Quettagi shira Yaar accent ……
    6 july 1985 24 years from now …..
    the person who was beaten as ABBAS mentioned by hazaras complaint and being Aaoghostani … his son is now young and near to marry ….
    who is that young guy … who hesitates to face passport officer as he lacks documentation ….
    About History whatever Abbas said i have no doubt about …….. but before 20 BC people used to live here in the mountainous regions of Hindukush and pamir and we learn about them when we read about Sakaiya and Dahaiya ….if my dear brother could read them as well ….
    About Changez khan i can only say that they won the war who ever was here in this mounatains were defeated and looted …. and i m sure they were not that civilized to sleep gazing the sky all the night ………
    In europe and australia how many of well established families from quetta had really moved …abot 4% …..rest for sure are those whose fathers worked in kaan e kola or rozana maximum distfaroush da meezan chowk … he himself mouchi or darzi …. or find ssome money from iran to go in europe ….sold his home to go to Australia .. I wish if someday our burocrates and persons like sharbat ali changazi be asked why u r changazi and why did u do all the blunders …as MR ABBAS mentioned …… or the Hazaragi officer …. from tanzeem side i can say Jawad Eisar has Hundreds of Acres of land in Herat ,Mazar and Kabul … My brother abbas can confirm and i will be pleased if he could do anything in this regard ..
    but to the bad bakht e hazara who has come for 300 USD work as translator or chochai in projects of UN and different NGOs some time raise voice or tell any hazara there in watan about tajiki and pashtuni taessubs …….
    I have one question and thats about the population of hazara quetta how many of them should be certificated as Quettagi and specially the person whose father came after 1980 and he is quetta born with no valid documentation speaks shira yaar language and works as a clerk type ..
    or police constable …..they are very less in number what about those who came during najib reign 1990 mostly ….and the childs that born here got education in different Urdu schools now where they stand ………
    I too if asked wont allow Quettagi Hazara to mix with Watani Hazaras and with their Interests but can we differentiate among them ……
    marri abad was populated in 1980s and Brori after 1990 …..
    Pakistani Govt and Specially ISI has the exact details ……..what if they(Hazaras of Quetta ) are not well come and not taken in Hazaragi Arms …
    will Hazars of Watan live a luxurius life …. will Pashtuns and tajiks wont benifit from this situation as well ISI …. (Shoi AAikay tammam) …..
    How wise it really is to say No to the bachay gharibs and kaan e kola walas who now eat kaora pur naan …which his father really couldn’t …..
    Hazaras of Quetta who have averge education and enthusiasm for Hazaragi can be sodelined …if yes what will be the circumstances and if no what output will we recieve …. Maximum damage till today i know of Hazara quetta in kabul is that a boy i know worked in NGO he sold few laptops and ran to MAzar Sharif Now works there ….
    but this webpage has link to bachay quetta and a newspaper in kabul ,,,Manager of Nigar TV (TV Khalili ) in kabul and in number of NGOs ….
    Hazaras of quetta had benifited watanis as well the 30 rupee suzuki wala recieved per person when he handedover a goospo from a pashtun to a non pashtun Watani hazara owner of Musafir khannas in surai niamk and sar maidani …….
    mushkal e niya ki wo dao zad ….azi baaed chi kaar kani ki khoud mo ibrat wa dao jour nashouni …. Mujram khou astay ……
    Ba amman e Arz e Pak Bamiyan …..

  12. Mukhtar enough……..stop the immature and much hated discussion….you are quoting people who are non serious and can be found everywhere.

  13. my brothers, in europe most of the hazaras of afghanistan who live here, most of them said that we dont want to protest here for the HDPs leader.

    because Hussain Ali yusufi had a travel agency in Quetta and whenever we wanted to extend our visa or to get or buy any ticket from his agency, he asked always much money and he was just getting money for his self, property nothing else. He never served the hazaras of quetta but he was just doing business in his travel agency, so why should we arrange protests and show our solidarity, he was just a common person in quetta.

    my dear brothers of afghanistan, if you want to read the brief history of Hussain Ali Yusufi, you will know that who he was, he served the hazaras of afghanistan many times, even got torture from your Akhunds and those jahil mullahs who were getting help from Iran.

    He wrote many articles and books about hazaragi culture, language, dramas, folks literature, he was the only man who always talked about hazara unity, asked the young generation to learn tarbiat, knowledge, established schools, hazaragi academies and his vision was to establish hazara TV channel, radio, so that all the hazaras of the world get united.

    whatever money he earned, he was also helping HDP, spend money for hazaragi concerts, dramas.

    whatever he was, he was the leader of the hazaras of quetta and a recognition for hazaras in the whole Pakistan. but it was shame for the hazaras of quetta, who never gave them votes and never succeeded them in the voting.

    After Mazari, he is known the great leader of hazara, he did his master from balochistan university and was a key figure in our community.

    If you people show your solidarity and protest for his cause, then it shows your unity but not jelousy which most of you show always.

    I hope that the hazaras of afghanistan who live in europe get lessons from their leaders and leave their jelousy.

    M. Hussain

  14. guys listen this story……

    there is a person, who has a plant in a clay. that person likes his plant much and does care alot of his plant. always waters that plant, he does every requirments to keep the plant fresh and beautiful, waters, cutting and in the summer keeps in good place and when winter comes covers with plastic to keep the plant healthy and fresh.

    But….. But……..But

    that clay is taged beautifully with the word “USELESS” very big.

    now this story also shows someone’s ability, having good sense of humour, good knowleadge and his mind is taged with the word USLESS.

    beside to solve the misunderstanding, boosting that.
    and Bamyan birar defined the story of “Suzuki wala” may be same case happened with our these aggressive birars……..but as i said before that bcoz of some trivial people from both side we are blaming whole.

    to energize ur points with these true and facts. it’s completly conveying the distruction …….not contruction.
    now being an able person, dont do a childish act, and a act of “USELESS”.

  15. Dear Azad UK and all Sherayar Lalai’s,

    It is not the correct answer to Asghar’s question. We have an expression in Afghanistan says that you send some one for black pea (posht-e- nakhot sya rawan mekoni), before you want to know about the Great British, should know about your ancestors. You all Quetta Hazaras do not know where our nation ‘Hazara’ came from, you do not know about your histories or want to do blackmail and fraud the new generations. Q Hazaras still believe that Hazara nation is the remaining army of Changiz Khan and proudly call you Changizi. If you had a little bit knowledge about your background you will never call like this because Hazara is the primitive nation and was before Changiz khan in Afghanistan. Hazara empire is very famous in the world was living before 20 B.C around the Caspian sea and was a big empire called (Hazara khahanat) but unfortunately due to the war against Europe and Russia could not resisted and had to escape and settled around the mountainous areas like Hindokosh, Pamir and Baba to resist the warlords. It is a big shame for us that a Pashtoon person knows about Hazaras background correctly but we abuse ourselves. It is better to know about Changiz khan and understand what Changiz did with Hazara people in Bamian and Ghazni, all the cities burned and killed as they could. Changiz was a big enemy of Hazara nation. Please read carefully this article written by Pashtoon person named Jalalabadi in Kabul press http://kabulpress.org/my/spip.php?article2992 . If you live in UK then can find too many books regarding Hazara Khahanat and Hazara nation by English and Russian language in London bookshops written by different and famous Russian writers.

    You Quetta Hazara should answer the following questions:

    1. Why you dishonestly abuse the Hazara nation

    2. Why you Quetta people are against Afghanistan and working with ISI for destruction of our land.

    3. Q Hazaras have and had a big deal with ISI for killing, reorganization and acquaintance of educated and well known people of Hazarajat during the Tanzems fighting that was the wish of ISI, Pakistan government and other agencies.

    4. It is a big question that why Tanzim did not distribute the funds and ammunitions for ordinary, normal people or other resistance group of Hazaras?????????

    5. Why Tanzim did flagrant and notorious just the communist and educated person all over the Hazarajat???????????

    6. Why Tanzim did not support the educated and communist parties after the event?????

    7. Why General Mossa Khan blamed the killing of Pakistani police on 6th July on Hazara refugees and savagely and wildly ordered to remove the Hazara refugee from Mariabad and you Q Hazras lead the military and Police to arrest the Hazara refugees and send back to Boldak and Refugee camps like Surkhab and Panjpai?

  16. shomo har chi YAG AZRA bogin dorogh aste. chara ki ami qamagoo (TUBA) da hech qimat hazara quetta ra khosh nadara. har chi basha mo da moqable hazara iran balde amzi mardom kalo chanda jam kadi da jangay kabul kalo jolos bor kadi wa kalo khod kho dil kho sokhti magar ena diga khoda khabar ki chara namofama.
    diga khoda ki ena az NAME BOZORG BABA MAZARAI KAM HAYA KANA WA ROH AMZO SHAHEED BOZORGWAR RA DA SAKOON BELA.
    ena (TUBA) inji qad tajika bale azmo hazara quetta da england drama jor kadan wa mora MASQARA kadan.
    diga BACHAAAA ena besyar mofad parast asten bale azina mo kalo dar khordi akhir shi ham SINDHI WAR kadan.

  17. YARA YAG KHO AMI QAMAGO RA DIGA KHODA AQAL BIDA. EQAS SHIKAYAT MONAN. ENA SIRF AZ MO HI SHIKAYAT MONAN CHARA KI MO AZRA ASTE. MA AZ 8 SAL ASTE KI NOTE KADOM KI AMI MARDOM TAJIK WA PASHTOON RA WATAN DAR MOGAN WA KHOSH DARAN WA QAD AZONA KHOD KHORA AFGHAN MOGAN. KODAM AFGHAN??? AMONAY KI ENARA BALE SHI ZOLM WA SITAM KADAN. WA KALAN TAREEN DOSHMANI AZINA HAZARA QUETTA ASTE. AMIRA KI MA MOGOM RAS ASTE BACHAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

  18. it is good we are discussing …..and stereotypes really exist …. they should be taken from their ears …………lets discuss for a conclusion … for a positive out put and tolerate if even we are abused ….

  19. Watanis and Quettagis:

    I think this is an important issue that has been raised a thousand times in these internet forums but never seriously discussed. Raising empty slogans and getting uneneccesarily sentimental will not solve anything. We need to be open about it and see why things have become the way they have become.

    We must not turn a blind eye to the differences that exist between these two groups, the Quettagis and the Watanis as they have come to be known. There are real differences and we just cannot deny them, however good our intentions. Why do we always assume that difference, as such, is bad and must be condemned like many of you are doing here? How about understanding and appreciating these differences without getting into useless sloganeering and meaningless well wishing ?

    The Quettagi Azras ARE DIFFERENT from the Watani Azras, or vice versa. This is a reality and the real point here. We should not shy away from this and must sincerely talk about it in order to come to a better understanding of the differences and the issue.

    I would like to start a discussion here on this crucial issue that is looking each one of us, whether Quettagi or Watani (or else), in the face. There are some stereotypes about both the groups, some of them really nasty, I must say. Those of us who are Quettagis know what these are (some of us use them often) and those of us who are Watanis also know what their side has in mind for the other group. Stereotypes are found in every corner of the world. They are about people, places, things and so on. All of them are usually held to be exaggerations, hyperboles and many often negative and damaging to their objects. But, at the same time, people also believe that sterotypes contain an element of truth otherwise they would not exist in the first place.

    For example, many Quettagis often believe that Watanis are opportunistic and crafty (not trustworthy or even deceitful). Have your say.

  20. Dear Asghar,

    If know you got more negative information about the past of our people, please search for the history of Great Britain as well.

    Trust me you will learn a lot from them, and I am sure it will be good for you and for the new generation.

    There are four countries making Great Britain, England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Today they live peacefully together and still ruling the world. Their honesty and unity with one another is amazing. They fought each other in the past and see how they live now. If people like Asghar represent Hazaras of Afghanistan then trust me, Hazaras never be successful in politics, unity and destructions will resume. Today he blame the Quettagi Hazaras, tomorrow he blame Jaghori and then him self.

    Today a few words of Quettagi filled him with negative questions, what if there were some more differences between us.

    My advice for you is to read the history of Great Britain, and then think deeply for few seconds, then see what happen. I hope it change the way you thinking.

    Thank you


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